<@DarkeSword> dubstep is dissonant? <@djpretzel> dubstep is rarely dissonant in the truest sense of the word harsh harmonics could be considered dissonant hak, could ylu link the nsf? <@djpretzel> at least what I've heard source 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhVZICQm5i8 dubstep is rarely dissonant? I can't find the 2nd source on youtube I dunno all yer fancy musicing definitions, I jest calls 'em likes I sees 'em hears 'em? i guess the forerunners of dubstep like burial, mount kimbie, faltydl et al are just gettin by with vaccum bass haha i still have yet to hear an actual vacuum cleaner used as a bass I've done it only motor engines <@djpretzel> well let's see, anytime you slide a pitch, you COULD call that dissonance <+Legion303> you just made those genres up source 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAoSKDX1BY found it <+Legion303> admit it http://tempsoundsolutions.hotdogstorm.com/mp3/(%20AFX%20229%20)/1-tempsoundsolutions-testing.mp3 real ass vaccum bass right chere <@djpretzel> but in terms of held pitches and dissonant chords and what not, not so much i doubt you are well versed enough in dubstep to make that kind of blanket statement. shawn: i've never heard of a vacuum cleaner that sounds like that haha its layered up with maybe 4 channels there. <@DarkeSword> okay well the source is pretty simple <@djpretzel> I know what I've heard dubstep is one of the most fractured genres that we have today <@djpretzel> that example you linked, not particularly dissonant in my book, the EP groove is completely traditional in every way shape and form <@djpretzel> okay Yeah, that example is exactly what I meant when I said "dissonant". <@djpretzel> being fractured in and of itself is not an argument that dissonance is a staple characteristic ds, i was trying to make it more interesting, but i just screwed it up <+Legion303> allow me to introduce you to my friend Mister Berg <@djpretzel> perhaps you're not meaning tonal dissonance so much as... well... textural <+Legion303> I believe he said that, DJP <@djpretzel> really, where? must have missed it <+Legion303> oh, that was malicex <+Legion303> talking about harsh harmonics hi <@DarkeSword> I think what happened is you didn't really break the source down and figure out the root/tonic <+Legion303> I was about to yell at you for not paying attention, which would have been amusingly ironic <@djpretzel> no, what HE said was that I wasn't well-versed enough to make an observation <@djpretzel> an observation of merit, at least because you may not be. <+Legion303> no, that was shawn <+Legion303> PAY ATTENTION <+Legion303> FGT i'm confused what's up ppl <+Legion303> me too you're operating under the pretense that because you haven't heard it, that it doesn't exist for others. I'm pretty well versed with dubstep unfortunately <@djpretzel> now I'm operating under a pretense <@djpretzel> how fortunate for all of us <+Legion303> I'm operating under preteens do you know of any post dubstep artists? i can name a bunch <@djpretzel> nevertheless, your example isn't particularly dissonant <@djpretzel> I know what tonal dissonance is well, that's like, your opinion meng <@DarkeSword> i don't think his example was for that who posted what's dissonant <@djpretzel> you seem to be ITCHING for a pissing contest <@djpretzel> I suggest the toilet, not IRC listen to some newer daedelus <@DarkeSword> he was showing an example of vacuum bass or para one or hudson mohawke or rustie or silkie [ka] join (#ocremix) JadeAuto (~JadeAuto@c-24-10-66-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) or slugabed or virtual boy <@DarkeSword> you can put those all on one line <@DarkeSword> :| <@djpretzel> I'm so impressed right now DS, i know. this was a general failure. <@djpretzel> keep going man, you're sealing the deal i guarantee you'll find plenty of dissonance i think people just needs more sleep (9:19:01 AM) MaliceX: who posted what's dissonant <----- This: (9:13:01 AM) shawn: http://tempsoundsolutions.hotdogstorm.com/mp3/(%20AFX%20229%20)/1-tempsoundsolutions-testing.mp3 that's a vacuum bass example supposedly haha that was just a straight up vaccum, lol That's the example they're talking about, though <@djpretzel> with your apparent wealth of knowledge, why don't you select a track you think best exemplifies dissonance in dubstep? <@djpretzel> and link it? to be honest, most of the dubstep I've heard wasn't really dissonant <@djpretzel> same here <@djpretzel> that doesn't mean some of it isn't, I'm sure it is why don't you build your own knowledge instead of relying on examples? i research music to learn about it on my own. why would i go through the trouble to give you an example so you can refute it Did shawn even say dubstep was dissonant? *I* was the one who said that, and I didn't mean it in the musically technical sense. nope. i just gave an example <@djpretzel> uh, you're making the claim, and saying you're well-versed <@DarkeSword> Yeah nativejovian just doesn't know what dissonant means. <@djpretzel> I'm not saying I'd refute it, dude, I'd just genuinely like to hear it [ka] signoff JadeAuto (Client Quit) Not in your crazy college boy arteeeeest sense, nope <@djpretzel> as mentioned, none of what I've heard sounded dissonant <@DarkeSword> it's not crazy college boy artist anything <@DarkeSword> it's a word that means a specific thing <@djpretzel> the internet does not allow words that mean specific things, Shariq ;) i gave a bunch of examples, if it sounds interesting to you to find out what I'm talking about then you'll look into it, you know? i listen to tons of music, and i don't necessarily think of it in terms of specific examples. i know what i've heard. to me your argument sounds like you're saying 'there are no rock bands that play dissonant music'. well listen to polvo, you cant get much more dissonant than that. <@djpretzel> if my argument sounds that way, you should re-read it <@DarkeSword> i mean we are talking about music and you use the word dissonance in the context of a discussion about music. <@djpretzel> I was only objecting to the argument that MOST dubstep was dissonant, or that it was a defining characteristic of the genre <@djpretzel> which my self-admittedly limited experience doesn't suggest <@DarkeSword> I mean I'm pretty sure you were just trying to make some crappy "LOL DUBSTEP" joke. Hey, some people said "oh yeah, I could see that on [some specific sense that I dunno what the hell that means but okay]" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdtRMx9dj-U here's an example of dissonant music. to suppose that any genre is devoid of music of any type of feeling is what it sounds like you're questioning. maybe i need clarification. <@djpretzel> maybe you should read what I just wrote <@djpretzel> dubstep is rarely dissonant in the truest sense of the word that's what i read you missed some TF2 last night NJ and you couldn't be much further from the truth, because the trend of dubstep these days is more on the dissonant side <@djpretzel> okay, example? Quiet, Baha! We're having a SERIOUS DISCUSSION I'm saying this based on what is sticking around in terms of what people enjoy. ok, go listen to sacred frequency by machine drum. this polvo song isn't really that much dissonant here, i turned it into a juke joint. http://tempsoundsolutions.arnoldascher.com/mp3/travisandshawn-sacredfrequency(liveathegreyknot-2-15-2069).mp3 And Darke, no, I wasn't going "LOL DUBSTEP". I actually like dubstep, I wasn't saying "dissonant" as "bad-sounding". <@DarkeSword> yeah i don't really hear a lot of dissonance in this polvo song. <@DarkeSword> when does it start? if that polvo song isn't dissonant to you then i don't know what you would consider dissonant. polvo's one of the most pensive bands that ever existed. <@DarkeSword> all the harmony is consonant. <@DarkeSword> :| dissonant = not consonant <@djpretzel> yeah <@djpretzel> sorry shawn, I disagree <@DarkeSword> i mean this is really straightforward diatonic harmony here's a better polvo example if you're not feelin it there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS4ZNcF07bU <@djpretzel> I'm quite sure you know dubstep better than I do <@djpretzel> not gonna begin to argue that point <@djpretzel> but I think you're working off a different definition or notion of what "dissonance" means its not a matter of knowing it better, but you seem to be refuting a point that is objective <@djpretzel> uh-huh <@DarkeSword> where does the dissonance start in this song? :| <@DarkeSword> i don't hear any dissonant harmonies <@djpretzel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jzj87z-Mjk <@DarkeSword> i'm listening to Anchoress btw So Baha TF2 <@djpretzel> that doesn't seem like a great example of dissonance to me either <@djpretzel> I think this is Princess Bride situation well then, you're just looking to refute opinion. <@djpretzel> as in, you keepa using that word, I donna think it means a what you think it means you use that word, I don't think you know what it means hahaha I love that movie [ka] join (#ocremix) Monobrow_ (~Monobrow@ip68-104-218-199.ph.ph.cox.net) [ka] mode (#ocremix) +v Monobrow_ (PositronBolt) yeah, guess not. <+Legion303> Anchoress just sounds out of tune hahah <+Legion303> that guitar needs intonation that's kinda what dissonance is y0 <+Legion303> no... ok. well it is to me. [ka] signoff Kasm279|Away (Quit: See you later, Brickulator!) <+Legion303> here is dissonanace: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGOD6Dex8uY <+Legion303> used sparingly as a tension before release, like it should be Legion303: harsh harmonics you gotta open your mind to what's out there to be able to first want to hear it. i can barely hear the bass <@DarkeSword> it's not about opening your mind shawn xD <+Legion303> that's because youtube all i hear is scratch scratch duggaduggadugga And now the conversation comes full circle <+Legion303> Godflesh is really big on the bass my mind is open to thinking anything about music that it will allow. that's why i enjoy music sometimes <@DarkeSword> dissonance isn't a subjective thing that you have an opinion on, it's an objective thing that just occurs in music <@DarkeSword> and nobody here is saying dissonance is bad [ka] signoff SchoolZero (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) <@DarkeSword> we're mosly artists here, we all understand the value and the utility of dissonance in composition searching for 'polvo dissonant' turns up about 4,340,000 results ok can we change the topic now I tried to, but Baha wasn't paying attention And now I have to go to work Talk about Disney World instead! (That's where I work.) werkl whoa search for my name and dissonant returns 99 000 000 results do you get to dress up in a character costume and I'm not dissonant! nah. basically every single thing that's ever been written about polvo has described em as dissonant. "get to"? Hell no. I'm an IT guy. anyways i don't have a shark in this fight, pz <@djpretzel> huge percentage of those google results are the same review, copied and pasted, which says: Polvo touched on many of the genre's hallmarks: dissonant, intricately layered guitars that often employed alternate tunings I don't even go in the parks, I work at the resorts ahh <@djpretzel> so imo it seems the same reviewer equated loose tunings to dissonance, which I can kinda-sorta see at some point, but it's different from playing actual NOTES that are dissonant to begin with <@djpretzel> regardless of whether your tuning's a little sloppy ahahahaha. stick with what you know dave. <@djpretzel> excuse me? <+Legion303> real estate state of reality <@djpretzel> [09:36] ahahahaha. stick with what you know dave. << excuse me? haha NJ <@djpretzel> I'm waiting for an explanation <@djpretzel> aight, made it pretty easy Haha, Baha! 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